Several posters on the Nutty Flavor discussion board about the Sussex saga have asked for a place to discuss the Corona Virus epidemic.
Here's an open post to get started.
Here's an open post to get started.
Good morning. Interesting information this morning suggesting that one reason Taiwan was so far ahead of the Covid Crisis was that the deputy director of its CDC found information on the Taiwanese version of Reddit in late December. Some of that information came from doctors within Wuhan, information that was quickly repressed by the Chinese Communist party. Fascinating that even the people in charge need to turn to alternate media to source information these days. Let's continue the conversation.
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That's a little Edgar Allen Poe to me, "Masque of the Red Death" and all.
Denmark has a relatively young woman in charge - she is 42 years old and the single mother of two school-aged children.
No official source that came with it.
Iran, by contrast, has been affected very badly, supposedly because it kept its religious shrines open.
Seriously, I believe we are headed for quarantines in the harder-hit areas sooner rather than later, and Florida is considering activating the National Guard (presumably the medical units, not the construction units) to help do widespread testing to see where the infections are most widespread to presumably close them off and offer extra medical aid.
I saw that one of the people stranded on one of the cruise ships was being brought back to land and being put into quarantine on a military base, and she was online looking for a lawyer who would sue to allow her to return home right away.
@abbyh -- Not sure about bar vs. liquid, but I have always believed (and have read) that ordinary soap is much more effective against both viruses and bacteria than the "anti-bacterial" brands.
I am also a firm, 100-percent believer in zinc supplements. Zinc is a natural immune system booster. My own immune system is compromised, has been for many years, but I have yet to even catch a cold since I started taking zinc supplements way back when, much less any kind of flu. I don't even bother getting shots.
Ever hear of Cold-Eeze? Teachers swear by it. Active ingredient -- zinc.
One caveat -- Zinc depletes copper from your system, which you also need. I take a copper supplement once a week, and have not had any problems.
Zinc also helps fight acne, should anyone suffer from that.
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Acne is a buildup of bacteria, so it makes sense.
China, for all its positive aspects, is deeply corrupt, so this is believable to me.
Supposedly patient zero was diagnosed in mid-November, and by mid-December the local doctors realized they had a problem on their hands.
Thank you for opening this thread, Nutty. Does anybody believe this is an artificially created virus? I have read opinions that the virus is "assembled" from around 20 different flu strands, that is why it has such a long dormant phase. Our bodies can't produce antibodies to the so many strands simultaneously, that is why they are struggling with the vaccine, and that is why people get re-infected. I think this sounds plausible. Also, the timing was a bit too convenient for the anti-Chinese demonstration to be a coincidence.
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So many of the recorded modern viruses had their origins in China (including Spanish flu, 1917-1920) that killed tens of millions.
The problem as I see it is two-fold:
1) The Chinese have not historically (and even today) don't have the strictest of hygiene regarding their livestock. It has been proven that many deadly viruses, including the H1N1 strains, have migrated from animals (poultry and pigs) to humans.
2) Viruses' survival strategy depends on mutation. This was one of the problems with HIV. Smart little buggers. We are seeing not only a mutated strain, but also a strain that is likely mutating as it infects in real time. Hence why we are seeing so much variation in time exposed/time incubated/time of symptoms.
The good news, IMO -- with a bit of help to our immune systems (see my zinc post above), if we do contract it, we will have perhaps a miserable flu, but will come out the other end with resistance to the virus.
Side note -- Worst thing that could ever have been done is bombing our children with antibiotics in the 90s, when they had viruses. Second worst thing -- wrapping our children in cotton wool, instead of letting them "eat their pound of dirt" by playing outside and interacting with nature.
Scientific Approach to Avoid Coronavirus COVID-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Ae0mjMljs&fbclid=IwAR1DSI7BStaX9zVHqD5qeCVLzUxq70EKkKZkEfbbbxnO-ko_vnbMqQ3yTUc
Apparently almost 50% of Chinese citizens are smokers.
The thing is -- South Korea's death rates have been minimal by comparison to many other countries. Their mandate of "social distance" (keeping at least 6 feet away from anyone in public) seems to be helping. Ditto Singapore, Hong Kong and other countries. Many public buildings have actually taken yellow tape onto their floors to alert people to keep their "social distance."
Italy -- Their health infrastructure was/is woefully inadequate.
Iran -- Too invested in convincing the world they are "supremely right".
China -- They deserve some kudos for reacting aggressively, but as their tourists are the ones spreading it around the world, no quarter given from me.
And I also believe (in the case of China) low blood levels of vitamin D because the sun is blocked out by pollution could have an effect.
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YES. Absolutely an excellent point. The rest of us don't get enough D either.
Lt. Nyota Uhura, I also read a study that the reason the lungs fail is because the virus also attacks the brainstem so that it "forgets" to breathe.
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Why the brainstem forgets to breathe is because the involuntary muscles, like the heart or lungs, are weakened by a domino, cascade effect by other *deprived* organs and/or nutrients. If those are fed properly by nutrients, they will protect us from attacks by viruses. Not rocket science.
https://pagesix.com/2020/03/13/meghan-markle-prince-harry-very-concerned-for-pal-sophie-trudeau-after-coronavirus-diagnosis/
Anything to get her name in the papers.
The point is, no one needs to worry about this newest "threat". Humanity has had very much worse "threats" in the past.
Do we think we are "owed" a "better life" ?? Some of us will die, and many of us will live. I fail to see how our "needs" and "fears" are any different than the overwhelmingly bad things that happened in our past.
WASH YOUR HANDS every time you think of it.
Lt. Nyota Uhura, re your comment about the nutrients, that would also be something lacking in people confined to nursing homes or some hospitals with their horrid institutional food.
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Swamp Woman, To me, this says, are we going to write off our elderly?
It's so easy, and so organic. GIVE our elderly the simple supplement they need, zinc, that gives them life as they have known it all their lives. Then they are not elderly anymore! They are us!
FYI, I suffer badly from Crohn's disease and have been prescribed a drug to combat the worst of the symptoms and to lessen the number of "episodes" I suffer. This drug is cytotoxic (and is used in chemotherapy) and seems to be doing its job but the downside is that I have been warned that, because of this drug, I have become very vulnerably to colds and chest infections. Also, I can't stay in strong sunlight as this will adversely affect me.
As you can see, they've got me both coming AND going! My hospital consultants have ordered me to take supplements of Vitamin D and folic acid - if I also take a zinc supplement (with a weekly dose of copper) will this additional supplement cancel out the others? I would be most grateful if you could spare the time to give me a little information. Thanking you in advance.
I didn't post this earlier out of respect for Nutty's rules, but on r/coronavirusUS on reddit someone reported that the whole PAC NW is going to be quarantined by the National Guard.
They reported someone high up in the fed govt. told their family. It may have been taken down by the mods by now due to hysteria and all. Also, someone recorded two Italian ER docs talking about the virus and the gist was that they didnt have enough tubes for intubation and they were told to save the under 60's first and how horrible that was! This is Reddit so take it with a grain of salt, but in my experience, they get breaking news as it is happening and many times it is correct.
Here in my county we have zero paper products, including toilet paper, no alcohol wipes etc., cleaning supplies, and many over the counter medicines have been wiped out completely.
Today at Harris Teeter, a major grocery, the panic was palpable.
We are lucky here that most have had to become preppers due to hurricanes, but people are still panicking. Our Gov. has not called for schools to be closed yet.
https://www.travelandleisure.com/attractions/museums-galleries/museums-with-virtual-tours
Interestingly enough, the Japanese have very few cases and the Italians have an excessively high number, the former never hugging or shaking hands, and the latter kissing and hugging everyone.
I've been struggling a bit since I care for my 92 year old mother with Alzheimer's along with a brother who is diabetic and in immunosuppressive drugs. I'm worried I will bring something home and kill one of them.
My sister sent me this today and it helped. https://grownandflown.com/finest-hour-covid-19/
It's a little simplistic, but got me thinking outside myself.
And madam seems to be "a bit emotional" about a lot of things lately. I didn't think snakes ever got emotional.
I also increased my Vit C and D suppliments. I've been following YouTube Medcram and Dr. John Cambell for my daily Covid 19 updates.
I'm in NC. I don't know about quarantines, but my source said no coming and no going. There will be barriers, according to the source.
A number of states have a legal provision that allows a hospital to refuse life saving treatment if a patient has no hope of recovery. It is rarely done but it does happen. In addition some states have assisted suicide in place and I would not be surprised if we see this in action of the elderly are infected and not treated. It would not be much of a stretch to think such elderly are influenced to consider this option.
Our society is evil, just evil.
Also, someone recorded two Italian ER docs talking about the virus and the gist was that they didnt have enough tubes for intubation and they were told to save the under 60's first and how horrible that was! This is Reddit so take it with a grain of salt, but in my experience, they get breaking news as it is happening and many times it is correct.
I was on a thread with an Italian doc, he said that they had to triage and the older patients were not getting treated, not even oxygen, and sometimes younger patients with comorbidities. That is why I am adamant that if you are above 60 and do not need to leave your house, don't. (Sadly, I can't convince SwampMan of this and we just got back from Home Depot with a new tank for the deep well and the wiring for another heat pump.) *sigh* Well, at least it was right before closing and we mostly had the aisles to ourselves. Mostly.
I finally had to quit taking the tablets, but this was in the mid 90s and I'm hoping there's been an improvement, or someone has some good advice for me?
We took our money out of the market@ 2 weeks ago but that was because of some foot dragging going on on their part, we wanted out four weeks ago. The President has nothing to do with the stock market tank; in fact, he has been doing his best to prop it up.
I seem to recall some Democrats screaming racism because of Trump blocking flights from China. You live in New York, your governor and your public health system is/are the one(s) responsible for your quarantines, etc., not the president.
Nobody sat on any information; I was aware of the virus in January and stocked up on supplies then. I tried to warn people a couple times that it was going to be very serious but nobody seemed concerned. The first *confirmed* death in China happened on the 9th of January (but tweets were coming out from China before then of a mysterious virus). Of course, if you listen to the MSM, they were busily not reporting it until about last week. If that is where you get your information, you may think things are being suppressed, but it isn't the President that is suppressing your access to news, it is Google (who helped silence the Chinese). I was reading (translated) tweets from China and looking at videos until, one by one, their voices were silenced, probably permanently.
That the government has moved this far this fast is pretty much miracle territory. I'm so delighted that President Trump called in private business to help; government agencies are hopeless in the best of times and are staffed with a lot of dead wood that should be pruned but that are protected by unions.
PrettyPaws said:
Lt Nyota Uhura,: many thanks for your information regarding zinc supplements. However, I need to know whether or not it will "fight" with other supplements I have been ordered to take.
FYI, I suffer badly from Crohn's disease and have been prescribed a drug to combat the worst of the symptoms and to lessen the number of "episodes" I suffer. This drug is cytotoxic (and is used in chemotherapy) and seems to be doing its job but the downside is that I have been warned that, because of this drug, I have become very vulnerably to colds and chest infections. Also, I can't stay in strong sunlight as this will adversely affect me.
As you can see, they've got me both coming AND going! My hospital consultants have ordered me to take supplements of Vitamin D and folic acid - if I also take a zinc supplement (with a weekly dose of copper) will this additional supplement cancel out the others? I would be most grateful if you could spare the time to give me a little information. Thanking you in advance.
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Pretty Paws,
Sorry it took so long to answer --
You have Crohn's, I have IBS, and the two are related. Not sure what drug they have prescribed for you, but it is pretty obvious that immune deficiency is something they are concerned about.
I agree re Inslee. It hit there first and hardest, and it will be difficult to rein in. He is doing the right things (IMO) in a desperate attempt to slow the spread, not contain, just slow it down so that the hospitals can catch up.
Sadly, I do not know when or where granddaughter will graduate from high school; the venue that was going to be used has been shut down. (Which is a good thing for those of us that are grandparents but sad for the kids!) All K-12 schools are now shut down for two weeks. Many of the counties have activated their own emergency management plans and have closed things like football stadiums and tourist attractions. Things are changing hourly; yesterday my 5-year-old granddaughter was talking to me on the phone and was very sad because she'd left her lunchbox at school and couldn't bring it over to show me during spring break. Her Mommy told her that that was okay, she could get it when she goes back in a week (after spring break), and I could see it another time. I told her Mommy that I very much doubted that the kids would be back to school in a week. I was right and I hate that. I don't think that many are going to be going back at all but will finish the school year online.
Now that the CDC bottleneck is out of the way re the testing, the Florida pandemic plan is being put into action by the numbers.
As of COB yesterday in Florida, there were 42 positives with 15 of them female, so 36% female. Odd, given that there are so many more older females than males. The youngest CV victim is a 20-year-old male; the oldest an 81-year-old female. How are the percentages of male to female victims holding up in your state? *Many* of ours are travel-acquired, either cruise ship (older people) or European trips (younger people). There are a significant minority that are too ill to say how they may have acquired it.
You have Crohn's, I have IBS, and the two are related. Not sure what drug they have prescribed for you, but it is pretty obvious that immune deficiency is something they are concerned about.
Sticking up hand in the back: I have celiac (grin). As long as I avoid wheat or any of its close relatives, I'm okay. Sadly, though, wheat is sneaked into a lot of products where you wouldn't expect it! Have y'all ever done a trial of avoiding wheat to see if that may lessen your symptoms?
FWIW, I have an upset stomach with zinc, too. My strategy is to include as many high-zinc foods as possible.
There are people in the hospitals that are quite ill so while I hope that the death toll remains at 2, I don't think that is going to happen.
Coronavirus survivors may suffer from reduced lung function
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-survivors-may-suffer-from-reduced-lung-function/
I realize it's still Friday for some of you on the West Coast of the USA, but for simplicity's sake, when it comes to day markers we're going to go off Estonian time.
Also, just to be clear, Trump did not say that the virus was a hoax - he said some of the coverage of his response tot he virus was a hoax.
Here's fairly neutral take on the "hoax" claim. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump-and-the-new-hoax/
Also, SO and I went for a drive last night just to get out and, although major events have all been canceled here for the forseeable future, people were out partying like rock stars last night.😱
I think it's a fair enough question to ask why someone who has been exposed hasn't been tested yet, but as to why he isn't self isolating, my feeling is that then he'd be completely excoriated by the media for not being directly involved in everything. He's damned if he does and damned is he doesn't and he'd rather be seen doing something than what would be reported as hiding. The media flat out accused Bush of hiding on September 11th, when in fact the protocol is for the President to be held away from DC during such events, and he was fighting with his staff the entire time to be taken back.
Ive been picking up extra non-perishables and stuff since January.
The stock market would have dropped some anyway because China supplies the world and they closed down, but it probably would have been slower without the Media turning this into panic situtation.